Clayton Times Conversation: County Executive Steve Stenger

County Executive Steve Stenger sat down with us in his office at the St. Louis County Administration building for the first of our weekly Clayton Times conversations will be bringing you with St. Louis County opinion leaders.

Not one to mince words Stenger provided a candid assessment of regionalism, rumors about being recruited to run for Governor in 2020, his primary opponent Mark Mantovani, the slowdown being enacted by the County Council, and several other topics.

Stenger is only at the halfway point of his term, but he has proven a popular and controversial figure in regional politics, and with his statewide profile growing this conversation could be one that gets referred back to in the future.

We hope that you enjoy the conversation, and if you have someone that you would like to see sit down with us, tweet us at @claytontimes. 

 

Clayton Times: What is the climate of the business community in St. Louis County today?

Stenger: Over the last year, we have had $3 billion in private investment in St. Louis County, and we’re talking about companies that have decided to have St. Louis County as their headquarters. We’re talking about companies that are making really historic expansions, like Centene, right in the heart of Clayton, $772 million dollars of development. And what that really represents—first of all, it brings in about 2,000 jobs—just that development alone. And it compresses a period of development that would otherwise be 30 years into a seven-year-period. And we’re seeing it throughout the county—World Wide Technology in Westport, hundreds of millions of dollars of expansion there, and they are choosing to remain in St. Louis as their headquarters; Pfizer in Chesterfield, huge expansion there, representing hundreds of jobs; Monsanto expanding in Chesterfield; and, as you know, there’s the possible Bayer merger.

Clayton Times: It seems like St Louis has come up short in the merger and acquisition game. It seems like we have been on the “acquired end”, more often than not. Do you feel there’s a little bit of a disconnect between the public’s opinion of what’s going on and the positive activity happening on the ground?

Stenger: There is, and I can give some reason for that. I think there are some news outlets that focus on the negative constantly.  There are acquisitions because these local companies provide a real value, and that is a good thing.

Clayton Times: You inserted yourself in the PDMP debate in the legislature and your opposition was one of the leading reasons why the compromise wasn’t accepted.

Stenger: My only focus in that situation was that I wanted the very best database for St. Louis County and for the entire state, for that matter.

Clayton Times: If there’s a special session on PDMP, would you be willing to sit down at the table and negotiate it?

Stenger: Sure. It would be great for St. Louis County to be out of that database because it would represent something profound for the state. I really want what’s best for the entire state.

Clayton Times: You’ve been a very good friend of labor. Now that right-to-work is set to be on the ballot in 2018, will you be able to incorporate helping organized labor in your re-election campaign?

Stenger: My dad was a union guy. He was a Southwestern Bell telephone lineman. I can remember when it was on the ballot in 1978, I can remember riding around in a blue Pinto with my brothers and sisters campaigning against right-to-work. I can remember that like it was yesterday.

Clayton Times: Some folks have you mentioned you would be a leading Democratic candidate for governor in 2020.

Stenger: I’ve heard those rumors, and I’ve read those rumors. I love my job. I live about a half a mile from work. I enjoy the way my life is organized. I am absolutely honored to have my job, and I plan on running for re-election.

Clayton Times: Speaking of re-election, how is the campaign going?

Stenger: Very, very well. We’ve gotten a great response from people, and our fundraising is ahead of schedule.

Clayton Times: You have one announced opponent—Mark Mantovani. Do you know him? Has he ever worked in county government? Have you spoken to him?

Stenger: I do not know him. The history that I know of him is that he’s a Republican, and for some reason, he’s chosen to run in the Democratic primary. He was a big supporter of Eric Greitens in 2016. He gave at least $20,000, and maybe more, in dark money.

Clayton Times: That raises an interesting question. Do you think Governor Greitens may have recruited him to run against you in response to the rumors that you are considering running for governor?

Stenger: Clearly, there has to be a connection. I don’t think an individual gives that kind of money without a relationship. In his large givings—if you look through his past givings—it’s a $1000 dollars to Rick Stream, it’s a $1000 to Eric Schmitt, $1000 to Rudy Guiliani. It’s supporting Romney over Obama. However, the big money doesn’t start until Greitens, so there’s definitely some connection.

Clayton Times: The county council seems to have stopped working and has ground to a halt. What is your reaction to them stopping moving legislation?

Stenger: When I was on the county council, no matter what kind of rancor Charlie and I had, we still moved forward. The business of the county came first. There’s a separation of powers in our county government. The legislative branch is an equal branch of government. However, the council put business first, and frankly, Charlie put business first. In the situation we are currently in, the council has basically slowed things down. They’re not slowing down policy proposals of mine. They are slowing down things that matter to all St. Louis Countians. We are talking about improvement to parks. We’re talking about bridge projects.

Clayton Times: There’s been a big push for regionalism. You’ve been known as someone who is more skeptical about regionalism. Are your views changing?

Stenger: My views aren’t changed. They’re similar to what I’ve talked about when I first ran. We’re identifying opportunities for collaboration. As a CPA and an attorney, numbers are in my blood. I want to look at it quantitatively. I represent a million people who have very important opinions about this matter. The reason why I endorsed the Better Together study is that I think it’s important to get our options on the table. The options don’t have to be “merger.” They can just be “cooperation” to reduce the $750 million or even $1 billion we’re overspending.

Clayton Times: Do you trust the study results from Better Together?

Stenger: I do. I think the three individuals who are working on it are top notch in their field. And I think they’re going to come forward with some options, and we can choose one, we can choose none, but I think we need to look at this. This is $750 million to $1 billion we could either return to taxpayers or find some other way to employ it.

Clayton Times: Sen. Richard discussed reorganizing St. Louis from Jefferson City. How did that strike you?

Stenger: I think there needs to be local input. I certainly would prefer a local solution over a solution from Jefferson City.

Clayton Times: Can you imagine if yourself, Hazel Irby, and Sam Paige drove to Joplin and decided to cut up Newton County?

Stenger: It’s something I believe the people of Newton County would not enjoy.

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Ainsi, pour se prémunir des maux liés au mauvais œil ou à la sorcellerie, il convient régulièrement de lire le Coran et faire des invocations notamment celles du matin et du coucher, de réciter régulièrement la sourate « La vache », de renouveler son intention, de placer la certitude dans son cœur, d’effectuer ses prières etc., et surtout de demander à Allah la meilleure des protections. Toutefois, dans certaines conditions, il est nécessaire de recourir à un soignant. C’est à ce stade qu’il convient d’être vigilant. Il ne suffit pas de se rendre auprès d’une personne qui se présente avec la qualité de cheikh ou d’imam pour accepter de lui confier cette pratique. Comme pour tout procédé et encore plus lorsque cela relève de considérations religieuses, il est important de bien choisir son soignant car ce dernier est tenu de posséder des qualités bien affirmées. La maîtrise du Coran et des traditions prophétiques en la matière est une condition sine qua none, mais insuffisante. La personne doit également avoir des notions de psychologie afin de déterminer la part de sorcellerie et celle de troubles psychologiques fréquents chez les patients. La personne doit posséder une bonne hygiène de vie, notamment spirituelle puisqu’il n’est pas inutile de rappeler que le succès de la « roqya » dépend de Dieu. Ces critères sont difficilement évaluables, surtout par une personne qui est affectée par un mal-être, quelle que soit sa source. C’est pourquoi les proches doivent accompagner la personne dans la recherche d’un soignant qualifié et reconnu comme tel par des référents religieux de la localité (imam, responsables associatifs, etc.). De manière générale, le soignant doit posséder des qualités déterminées que nous pouvons synthétiser de la manière suivante. Il doit : être en capacité de lire le Coran, croire avec certitude au Coran, être empreint de piété, connaître les pièges et les caractéristiques du diable et des djinns, connaître la méthode prophétique de la « roqya », disposer de connaissances de base en psychologie, avoir la conviction que le succès de sa thérapie dépend de Dieu. A l’exception de la première exigence, il semble difficile de vérifier les autres conditions dans le cadre d’un entretien téléphonique avec une personne que nous n’avons jamais rencontrée, même si elle se présente sous le titre de « cheikh » ou d’un imam. Par conséquent, ces conditions soulignent une première limite quant au recours à la « roqya » par téléphone. Par ailleurs, à l’instar de tout médecin, le soignant doit, avant de prodiguer des conseils ou une médication, procéder à une consultation. Ainsi, un environnement adéquat est indispensable pour la réalisation d’une « roqya ». Il est enfin inconcevable qu’un médecin puisse vous affirmer par téléphone connaître votre maladie et attester pouvoir vous guérir. Vous auriez plus que des doutes sur ce prétendu médecin. II- Un environnement propice et la réalisation d’une consultation préalable à la réalisation d’une « roqya » Il est intéressant de noter que, dans son ouvrage « Comment se protéger des djinns & satan », Wahîd ‘Abdussalâm Bâli évoque l’importance du climat pour réaliser une roqya[2]. Ainsi, il expose les points suivants : « 1. Préparer le climat adéquat en faisant par exemple sortir les images et les statues de la pièce où on va soigner le malade, pour permettre aux anges d’y entrer. 2. Débarrasser le sujet de tout ce qu’il peut porter sur lui comme talismans ou amulettes et les brûler. 3. Éteindre tout ce qui peut émettre le son de la musique et des chants. 4. Vider le lieu de tout ce qui comporte une infraction à la shari‘a à savoir, par exemple, la présence d’un homme qui porte de l’or ou une femme qui ne porte pas le voile légal – al-hijab. 5. Donner au malade et à sa famille une leçon de dogme de façon à ce que leurs cœurs ne soient pas attachés à un autre qu’Allah. 6. Leur faire savoir que la façon de soigner est différente de celle des sorciers et des charlatans et que le Coran recèle guérison et miséricorde, comme l’a informé Allah le Puissant et le Majestueux. 7. Diagnostiquer son cas : pour cela poser des questions au malade pour s’assurer de la présence de tous les symptômes (…) ». Or, dans les témoignages communiqués, l’interlocuteur qui se présente comme soignant ne pose aucune question aux personnes. Il débute ainsi la « roqya » directement par une récitation du Coran. En outre, il est intéressant de souligner que dans l’un des témoignages communiqués à l’UFCM, l’interlocuteur demandait à la personne de remplir successivement des verres de lait, d’huile, d’eau etc. et de les poser par la suite sur la table de la salle à manger. Au point que la personne s’est retrouvée avec une multitude de verres posés sur la table. Le comble est que la personne ignorait ce qu’elle devait en faire lorsqu’elle a pris conscience de la tromperie. Nous constatons par conséquent qu’une « roqya » ne peut être réalisée dans un environnement quelconque. En effet, une procédure de diagnostic est essentielle. Nous pouvons à titre d’exemple faire le parallèle avec un rendez-vous chez le médecin ; ce dernier ne peut vous prescrire une ordonnance sans au préalable vous avoir ausculté et interrogé sur les différents symptômes que vous ressentez physiquement. A défaut, au lieu de guérir vous allez aggraver vos maux. Cette attitude vigilante du médecin traitant doit se retrouver lorsque nous envisageons le recours à une « roqya ». Pour illustrer ce propos, nous citerons l’exemple de l’anthropologue, spécialiste de l’islam européen, Farid El Asri, chercheur associé au Centre Jacques Berque, qui nous rapporte une situation alarmante suite à une « roqya » : « Une jeune femme en Belgique (…) est morte suite à une tentative d’exorcisme. Pendant les séances, les fkihs (imams) utilisent normalement de l’eau « coranisée ». Pour cette jeune femme, prétendument stérile, les exorcistes ont carrément plongé son visage dans l’eau et quand elle tentait d’en sortir pour respirer, les guérisseurs estimaient qu’il s’agissait du jinn qui l’habitait et ils replongeaient son visage dans l’eau. Pendant le procès, la famille de la défunte s’est présentée comme musulmane et a accusé ces pratiques d’être extérieures à l’islam quand les guérisseurs estimaient qu’ils avaient simplement fait ce qu’ils pouvaient. 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